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New BMS Dimensions

Our old lineup of JBD BMSs is now out of production. Rather than adapting to a new JBD design, we are finishing our new BMS design ASAP.

JBD has new models available, but we have rejected all of their offerings for various reasons, mostly due to the complete lack of security on their built-in bluetooth connection.

The new BMS is named The Pathfinder BMS by Overkill Solar. It is entirely designed in America by Overkill Solar, and programmed mostly in Canada. We will be doing final assembly, programming, calibrating, and testing here in Naples, FL. The components are sourced globally.

Here are the physical dimensions of The Pathfinder BMS:

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How to identify Tesla Rev. A-B-C modules with photos

Battery modules from Model S and Model X cars come in several revisions, known as Rev A, Rev B, and Rev C. They look very similar in photos, but the balance wire connections differ. Use this guide to identify your revision before ordering a BMS kit.

Outside

Inside

If you have the chance to remove the old Tesla BMS board, It’s easier to see the differences.


Misidentification or Misrepresentation?

Unfortunately it seems to be quite common for sellers of these batteries to send a different revision, or even show photos of different revisions on the same eBay listing. If you end up with a different battery that doesn’t match your BMS kit, contact support@overkillsolar.com and we will exchange the adapter board.

For example, I found these photos on eBay- one shows a pallet of Rev A modules, and the next photo is a close up of a Rev B module:


Tesla battery capacity

Each car battery can be broken down into 16 modules. Each module is a 6 cell Lithium-ion battery that puts out 24 volts, and they weigh about 65 pounds each (30kg).

The capacity of each module when new can be found by dividing the car’s advertised battery size by 16. Example: for an 85kWh (kilowatt-hour) battery pack, each module holds 5.3kWh when new. The capacity degrades with age, as all batteries do.

We have also seen examples of modules that were damaged by leaking coolant, which corrodes the bond wires to each of the individual 18650 cells. Modules in this condition will have a significantly lower capacity than a healthy module from the same car.

Model 3 / Model Y batteries

Model 3 and Model Y cars have a different type of module. The car battery contains 4 large modules, each of them has 24 cells and they put out about 96 volts. We do not recommend these modules for DIY projects due to the extreme danger of working with 96 volts DC.

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BMS Configuration for alternative cell counts (i.e. Tesla Modules)

This PDF describes how to modify an Overkill Solar BMS for alternative cell counts.

Overkill Solar normally stocks 3 basic BMS models, which are configured for the most common Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) battery setups: 4 cell 12v nominal, 8 cell 24v nominal, and 16 cell 48v nominal.

When using a different cell chemistry such as classic lithium ion, the number of cells needs to be adjusted to reach a usable system voltage. Common setups are 6 or 7 cells for a 24v system, and 12 or 13 cells for a 48v system.

Download the PDF instructions to read on: BMS_configuration_for_other_cell_counts-4S_and_8S-Overkill_Solar_LLC.pdf

Adapting an 8s BMS for 6s Tesla modules

Our Tesla BMS kits include a 8s BMS which has been preprogrammed with the parameters for 6 cell Tesla modules, and the included adapter board makes the necessary connections to make the BMS work with 6 cells. If you already have a BMS in the 8 cell configuration, you can adapt it for 6 cells by shorting 2 pairs of the balance wires together as shown in the above PDF, and in the photo below:

After making these connections, you can load the configuration file “6s_Tesla_Li-ion” from the Overkill Solar mobile app.

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Portable Tesla Power Box Example

This is a Portable battery pack that we put together for demonstrations. We found this unused Bosch tool case that was just the right size for a Tesla Model S battery module with the BMS installed. It has a power switch on the outside which is connected to the BMS’s SW input, and the indicator light is connected to the 24v output (C- to B+). The output connector is a 120 amp Anderson connector mounted flush on the end, and we attached matching connectors to a suitable power inverter and charger.

This setup provides 3.6kwh of portable power that looks right at home on any job site.

Tesla Battery Setup on a hand cart